It Doesn’t Get Better

While I’m against bullying, I have a HUGE problem with allowing individuals to live in their sin and lie to them that life gets better when you remain in a state of sin.

Are we essentially saying:

  • It’s okay to be an alcoholic…
  • It’s okay to swear to your parents…
  • It’s okay to beat your wife (some people think this is okay)…
  • It’s okay to look at porn…
  • etc. etc. etc. etc.

Because after all… it gets better.

Thoughts?

-jordan

40 Responses to “It Doesn’t Get Better”


  1. 1 Valsung May 13, 2011 at 3:17 am

    I think that not everyone believes in your particular brand of religion, or even religion at all, and therefore you should keep it in your pants and share it with folks who share your convictions.

    Also, I’d rather be in hell with all the gays, drugs, and the biblical character who murdered hundreds of thousands less than the bitter old curmudgeon in the sky than with you or your ilk.

    So it does look like it gets better, if we do go to hell, it gives us an eternity without you!

    • 2 Jeff H. May 16, 2011 at 10:55 pm

      Valsung-

      I’m sorry you feel that way bro but this is his blog and he really doesn’t have to “keep it in his pants”. It would be like me choosing to view your blog and then ripping you for commenting on something you said or believe. It just doesn’t make sense!

      Think about it man…you DO NOT wanna spend eternity in hell! I wouldn’t wish that on anyone! Let me give you this scenario: when someone has a bonfire again throw yourself in it and let it consume you. That is what hell will be like! It isn’t a party bro!

      God sent his son Jesus Christ down here on earth to live a blameless (from sin) life so that He could die on the cross to save us from our/your sin and from eternity in hell! He loves us/YOU that much!

  2. 4 Keep Sweet May 13, 2011 at 4:51 am

    Thoughts: you are homophobic scum. One of your kids is gay and you don’t even know it.

  3. 5 salixman May 13, 2011 at 4:59 am

    Obviously you’ve never been LGBT, because it gets abso-fucking-lutely AWESOME.

    But hey, thanks for reminding me of a bunch of amazing and inspiring videos that have helped save lives. I’m sure you’ve done important things too.

  4. 6 Brian May 13, 2011 at 5:12 am

    Thanks for posting those videos: they’re really inspirational!

  5. 7 Snafu May 13, 2011 at 5:53 am

    What the “It Gets Better” project is about is about preventing suicide in children because of hateful comments like these. If you’re a GLBT individual, straight-supporting social systems are everywhere. For many of these children, life through middle school and high school is especially hard and many of them give up because they lose hope. God is hope, and God is love, and when religious organizations profess that being gay is wrong and a sin, that teaches these children that God doesn’t love them.

    However, life does get better. These children grow up and find their own voices. They build their own lives and have their own families, careers, and adventures. It is WRONG of any religious institution to drive people from the flock. All people should be met with love and Christian fellowship. As good Christians, we welcome all to our table to teach them the message of Christ’s love. We hate the sin, but love the sinner.

    Why, and when, did you choose to forget that?

  6. 8 RB May 13, 2011 at 6:01 am

    They’re speaking out against verbal, physical and emotional abuse. These are not okay in any circumstances, regardless of the sin being committed. If the sin harms someone else, there are laws to take care of the consequences. It’s not up to everyday people to determine if someone needs punishment or not.

  7. 9 David May 13, 2011 at 6:15 am

    what do you mean allowing. how about you let people live how they want, and stop pushing your ancient bullshit on them?

  8. 10 Patrick May 13, 2011 at 7:23 am

    Interesting there bud.. I didn’t realize being gay was the same thing as abusing your wife. Kissing the same sex = giving your wife a black eye? Nice logic.

    Do you ever think about other women? Ever think about cursing at your parents? Ever think about hitting your wife? Than you are the same. So let’s all have a sin party and have fun.

    Being a brainwashed Christian must be embarrassing at times. Or are you too oblivious to realize this?

  9. 11 Isaac May 13, 2011 at 8:10 am

    No, it’s not saying it’s ok to beat your wife or that it’s ok to rape children, or anything else. Because those things hurt people, they violate others of their rights. We have rational reasons as to why it’s wrong to beat your wife, rational reasons as to why it’s wrong to murder or steal or rape.

    Homosexuality however doesn’t effect others in the slightest, what does it matter what two men do in their bedroom to you? It’s just two people who are attracted to each other having consensual sex.

    Comparing homosexuality to things like beating your wife makes you an idiot, sorry to be so blunt, but it’s true. Perhaps use your brain just a tiny bit, before you flap your mouth off with such barbaric idiocy.

  10. 12 addison May 13, 2011 at 9:23 am

    The scariest thing is that you teach children this idiocy. Comparing homosexuality to alcoholism and BEATING YOUR WIFE? ARE YOU SERIOUS? You should seriously be ashamed. I know you won’t be, because to even make a comment like that you can’t possibly know how wrong and insulting it is, but just know that you should be.

  11. 13 Ben May 13, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    How are any of those things like being in love with someone the same sex as you? Your argument is weak.

  12. 14 Ben May 13, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Better question: the point of those videos is to tell gay youth that eventually they will get past all the bigotry and hatred that tears at their hearts, so what exactly is your counterpoint to this? Are you merely *implying* that being gay will make you gradually more and more miserable? That’s simply not true. It’s disparaging remarks by intolerant people that make being LGBT difficult, not how they live their lives.

  13. 15 Anonymous May 13, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    What concerns me most about this post is not the post itself but the comments that follow. If this advertisement is truly about bullying, then both sides have something to learn about this subject. These comments are “bullying” the author of this post, which is obviously hypocritical since the ad itself is supposed to be against bullying. So, why is one side of this argument allowed to state their beliefs with expecting to not be bullied for those beliefs while the other side isn’t? If we do indeed live in a culture that lives by the code everyone can be right, then both sides should be able to state their view without expecting any backlash.

    I will note here that it is unfortunate that there are many out there who have ruined the chances for those of us who believe homosexuality to be a sin to love people in spite of the sin. I do believe homosexuality is a sin and that the Bible is very explicit to this point; however, I have friends and acquaintances who are homosexual, and I’ve never bullied them. I love them regardless of their lifestyle because they love me regardless of my sinfulness. While homosexuality is a sin, so is lying, stealing, and gossiping as well as cheating on your spouse or looking at porn. None of these acts is worse than the other.

    With all that being said, lets listen to the main message of this ad and not bully but live out the principles of loving one another, understanding that people will disagree with your beliefs and actions. In the end, someone will be right and someone will be wrong. Unfortunately, we all think we’re right.

    • 16 Isaac May 13, 2011 at 1:14 pm

      Let’s make something clear here. Christian children aren’t being driven to suicide because of inescapable hate and bullying from gay people… Homosexual children however, ARE. Based on this, I would say that your feelings don’t matter one bit, and you should shut your whining mouth.

      The comments are condemning the author for his pure, blatant stupidity, which contributes to an idea that’s hurting many people. He compares homosexuality to beating your wife, the guy needs a kick in the pants to set him straight. And you need to shut the hell up until you experience real bullying.

    • 17 Valsung May 13, 2011 at 2:05 pm

      There is absolutely no reason to be tolerant of intolerance. Regardless of whatever mythological beliefs you hold dearest.

    • 18 VoiceOfGosh May 13, 2011 at 7:23 pm

      Anonymous,

      The reason why the author is receiving so many posts that are blatantly against his ideals and what he says is because his words come from a place of intolerance, hate, and lack of perspective. The way that he looks at gay people, like many other religious folk do, is in a very damaging and disparaging fashion. In effect, how can the LGBT people he is defaming NOT stand up for themselves when they are being treated like a blight upon humanity?

      What consistently happens is that we are not viewed simply as the human beings that we are, but as a generalized entity that is out to destroy the fabric of society like plagued insects. When a large part of society takes this generalized view on a group of people, those people are being stigmatized (a large scale bullying, if you will). When this happens, we essentially become second class citizens in every respect because we have to constantly defend our own personal image as normal human beings every damn day. Can’t you see how exhausting and depressing that might be? How damaging this generalized negative view can be to a young child discovering his or her sexuality? Consider us as individuals before placing sin or casting a negative light on the people we actually are.

      Next, you may have gay friends, but you can’t love them completely if you maintain the view that homosexuality is a sin. Love the sinner but not the sin? A friendship or relationship like that can only be skin deep. Think, how can a relationship like that be healthy? If one of my friends told me, “I love who you are but I disagree with/do not accept/hate your sinful homosexuality,” how could I not be hurt on some level? While this may not be open and outward hatred, it is another form of hate that is much more subtle: A microaggression. A microaggression is modernly defined as a brief and commonplace daily verbal, behavioral, or environmental indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative racial/character slights and insults toward a marginalized minority group. Loving someone despite their homosexuality classifies as a microaggression because you deny acceptance of a major part of who that person is as an individual.

      Also, you may have read in your bible that homosexuality is a sin and that it should not be accepted or viewed kindly, but there are plenty of other “former” sins in the bible that are not viewed as such by modern standards anymore (eating shellfish, cutting of hair, etc.). My questions to this phenomenon are as follows:

      Why does the church choose what is and is not sinful in the bible when actions that would have been considered sinful a few hundred years ago are still written plain as day for everyone to see?

      How does what is and is not sinful change over time?

      Is it a sudden shift in moral acceptance or just something someone disagreed with and started preaching differently over time?

      Answer me these questions and I might start understanding this dichotomy a bit more. These are honest questions that I have asked before. Some have tried to give me answers but none have explained these changes in sin policy so far.

      Last, Homosexuality is not akin to lying, stealing, or cheating on your spouse. Talk to your homosexual friends and ask them about their life stories about how they found out they were gay and what that realization felt like. Get to know them for who they were born to be. I’m sure you’ll see us in a slightly different, and more positive light. We’re not liars. We’re not cheaters. We’re not pedophiles or spouse beaters. We are individuals with unique personalities and a sense of right and wrong. We’re loving and caring people. We are people who contribute to society in a positive way. We are human beings… Just like you.

    • 19 Sara May 13, 2011 at 9:36 pm

      Well said, thank you for having an unbiased response and not lashing out (AKA bullying).

      • 20 salixman May 14, 2011 at 2:22 am

        Wait, really? He’s unbiased? He says that homosexuality is a sin about 3 times in that post. That’s about as biased as you can get. Beyond that, his argument falls into the “stop attacking my religious freedom while I take away your rights!” camp.

        Case in point: http://i.imgur.com/Jb2wS.jpg

      • 21 Sara May 14, 2011 at 1:27 pm

        I was replying to “Anonymous”. It is quite clear that people are wanting to fight no matter what is said in opposition to being gay. It is sad to see how a simple comment can be twisted just to further your side of the argument.

      • 22 salixman May 14, 2011 at 7:56 pm

        I know who you were responding to. If you can’t see that he is plainly biased than you need a serious reality check.

  14. 23 dtMars May 13, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Isaac,

    Do you mean “real bullying” as in name calling, threats, and violent intentions? It is interesting how beliefs that are different from yours are intolerant – and you meet this will violence and hatred.

    In reading what was in the original post, I see nothing bashing the GLBT community. It disagrees with the lifestyles of those involved, but it is nothing of a personal attack. And, whether you agree with it or not, it is not violent and it does not advocate bullying of any kind.

    I think the author may have misinterpreted the intent of the video, however, it is completely uncalled for to meet this with violence and threats and claim that you are against violence and threats. There are civil means of disagreement. Perhaps the author would be open to a civil conversation. I guess you’ll never know because you are grossly prejudice against anyone who disagrees with you and you refuse to see beyond your own agenda. If this is incorrect, please attempt to construct a logical argument and make some points. If this is correct, feel free to continue your hate filled speech.

    • 24 dave31175 May 13, 2011 at 8:03 pm

      “In reading what was in the original post, I see nothing bashing the GLBT community.” The original post equates being gay with wifebeating. It’s very telling that you don’t see that as bashing gay people.

    • 25 Isaac May 13, 2011 at 8:39 pm

      Best to reply to my comment directly if you want a response, but it’s your lucky day, you’ll get one anyways.

      Please point out where in my post I threatened Jordan, or where I advocated, suggested, or said anything about violence against Jordan? You seem to be accusing me of meeting him with violence and threats, in which case you’re a dishonest hypocritical moron.

      It compares homosexuality to beating your wife, that’s not only stupid, it’s offensive. All you’ve done is create a straw-man out of me and attack it, you haven’t touched my comment one bit.

      By the way, I would never touch Jordan physically, no matter how much of a bigoted dumbass he expresses himself to be. It’s sad that I even have to say that, but apparently me insulting Jordan makes you think I’m threatening violence.

  15. 26 Lucy May 13, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    I am very saddened to see such a post.

    I am Christian. I am also queer.

    “It Gets Better” is about preventing suicide. Your examples of sin have no connection to homosexuality–why would you associate them therewith?

    God loves all His children. ALL of them. In the immortal words of a very brave politician, “How many more gays must God create before we accept that He wants them around?”

  16. 27 Nijuro May 13, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    This shouldn’t be about tolerance, it should be about acceptance.

  17. 28 Devan Adams May 13, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Wow, Jordan. I was totally blown away when I first saw this video. I am completely against bullying people of any kind. I do share your hatred of allowing people to live in sin simply because “it doesn’t affect us what two men do in their bedroom.” As Christians it is our responsibility to lobe these people into a relationship that causes them to escape their sin.

    Without wanting to directly attack any person who commented on this post, I have to ask “Why is it okay for you to bully someone for stating his belief?” One statement said that Christian children aren’t being driven to suicide by gay people. That is completely true. Many Christians are not being persecuted by gay people, but by the same intolerance that affects those who bully others.

    The point that this video is saying is that it is okay to be gay. It is not okay. Does this mean we should hate those that are? May it never be so. We should hate the sin, but love the sinner. This means not bullying or abusing any individual for any of their sins. Whereas I commend the people who started this campaign for attempting to help the teens who are bullied, I think that a better approach would be to help these teens find a way out of their sin struggle.

    I support your views Jordan
    -devan

    • 29 Isaac May 13, 2011 at 8:49 pm

      Maybe instead of quoting me and being indirect, you should just post a direct reply right at me? Wowering in the back and whispering your response at, but not to me, isn’t going to do anything. Lucky for you I get to reply anyways because I read more comments.

      Jordan is the one insisting there’s something inherently wrong with a group of people, that just being the way they were was somehow bad. He compared it beating your wife actually, which is pure, blatant, ignorant, bigoted, offensive hate-speech. Jordan contributes to the problem of gay teenagers committing suicide by saying things like this. People are dying Devan, screw Jordan’s feelings, screw your feelings, you aren’t being driven to the verge of suicide by people like me.

      “It is not okay.”
      When you say this gay children think there is something wrong with them, something evil. It’s something they can’t change, they can’t get over, and they’re bullied and hated for it every day. You make them feel worthless with your bronze age bullshit.

      “I think that a better approach would be to help these teens find a way out of their sin struggle.”
      Too bad you can’t “cure” homosexuality, science shoots you down in every aspect here. Someone is gay, they’re gay, better deal with it because it isn’t changing. In fact, forcing children to convert from gay to straight has been shown to have harmful psychological effects. Every scrap of science and reason we have says that being gay isn’t a choice, and because of your stupid 2,000 year old napkin written by god says it’s a sin, you don’t care, you’re going to keep contributing to the deaths of children.

      Jordan, you’re an idiot.
      Devan, you’re also an idiot.
      It’s high time you both got over your barbarism.

    • 30 Scott May 13, 2011 at 11:31 pm

      Hi Devan,

      I agree that people should not stoop to personal attacks against Jordan on this forum. That doesn’t do anyone any good. I will stop short, however, from equating their name-calling to the bullying that gay adolescents experience. That bullying is what spurred the “It Gets Better” campaign, which works to reach out to bullied gay youth who don’t have any support system around them.

      That was just a clarification I wanted to make. What I really want to talk to you about is your “hatred of allowing people to live in sin.” We are both Christians; why should we associate ourselves with the word hatred? It seems to me to be the antithesis of what Christ’s love is.

      You go on to say that the intolerance of those criticizing Jordan and those driving gay teens to suicide is the same. Here is where I’ll disagree with you again. I’ll explain my thought process: should we tolerate overt racism of others? Should we stand by as a coworker threatens an interracical couple, for example? It wasn’t so long ago — just 1967 — that marriage between races was illegal in the United States. I think it would be our duty to not tolerate someone who would bully or berate a person simply because he is married to a person of a different skin color. Wouldn’t you agree? That form of bigotry shouldn’t be tolerated. It should be scorned. That’s how the people who are “attacking” Jordan feel.

      I know you believe that this case is different, because homosexual relations are “against God.” However, there are other things that are abominations in Leviticus. Have you gotten a haircut recently? Did you get your sideburns trimmed short? That is forbidden in the same chapter that forbids homosexuality. What would you do if a devout Christian, one who believed very firmly in the Bible, discriminated against you for that reason? What if a large portion of the population held that belief? Would that make it right? Would you be okay with it, and go about your day thinking, “I should tolerate his intolerance?”

      One final thought, and I congratulate you if you’ve stuck with me long enough to get here: Jordan is equating being gay with beating your wife. Think about that for a moment. He believes that being gay — something that is innate in a person, not a choice, and not reversible — something that does not harm anyone else — is equal to spousal abuse. Do you see no problem with that?

      I’d appreciate a reply.

      Scott.

      • 31 Devan Adams May 14, 2011 at 2:44 am

        Scott,

        As I posted on another comment, thank you for being civil in your discussion.

        I would like to just work through your comment the best I can paragraph by paragraph. I am also trying to phrase what I say so that I am not being argumentative. I also want to clarify for anyone else that reads this that I do not gay guys and that my best friend in high school was gay. I do not bully or discriminate against them for being gay.

        Okay, so the word hatred is an antithesis of Christ. That is true. We know from Galatians 5:22 that the fruit of the Spirit is love. However, we also know that when Christ carried all of the sin of the world on his body God could not even look at Him (Matthew 27:46). I am not advocating a hatred for the person, but for the sin that they have.

        I do go on to talk about the intolerance that is projected directly at Jordan. It is the same type of bullying that is displayed towards the teens that are suicidal. People disagree with the views that are being expressed, but instead of discussing one-on-one with the person preconceived notions are brought into the mix. With the way that the comments are attacking Jordan, the author’s could not possibly know him on a personal basis. Instead of discussing with him, they are lumping him into a group of legalistic, Bible-beating, holier-than-thou preachers. This is not the Jordan that I know.

        Now, the next point that you made was the idea of cross-racial marriage. You stated that you are a Christian and quoted the Bible to me, so I assume that you do realize that all races can trace their heritage back to one couple. As to the idea of what the government has to say, Christians should not base their belief system off of the government or culture.

        Finally, in order to fully understand the Leviticus passage you must take into account what is being discussed with tattooing and cutting of hair. I do not want to get into a big discussion of that on this post (we can discuss if you want), but homosexuality is discussed in later Biblical passages as well.

        As to equating the sin of homosexuality to the sin of wife beating, swearing to your parents, pride, drunkenness, or a list of any others I agree. There are ways of helping people out of their sin struggles, so we should take this a step farther. It is good that awareness is being brought up, but instead of leaving it to just stop the bullying we should help the teens to confront their own sexuality.

      • 32 salixman May 14, 2011 at 2:58 am

        Devan,

        While you quote that “we all came from one couple”, the Bible and religion was one of the strongest arguments against interracial marriage in the Sixties. I’d suggest reading this article about the comparisons between gay marriage opponents and interracial marriage opponents.

        Quick excerpt:

        “Like the arguments against gay marriage, “much of the opposition to interracial relationships was grounded in religious beliefs.” In Loving, Virginia’s Supreme Court justified a ban on interracial marriages by citing religious beliefs. Others argued against it on the grounds that it violated natural order and would lead to unhealthy children—perhaps mentally retarded or a mongrel breed. Sex between people of the same sex is also called unnatural, or regarded as bestial by some today.”

        Link:

        http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/news/2004_fall/forde.htm

  18. 33 Greg May 13, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Jordan,

    Let me just say as a gay Christian man, this post is saddening. I hold a Masters from one of the best Seminaries in the Country and have studied The Bible and it’s discussions of Homosexuality extensively. I along with many others have concluded the issue is no where near as black and white as you and many others would have people believe. I realize that grey areas make us uncomfortable, but to put it plainly, you’re challenging people to change who they are, perhaps You should understand the historical, social, and theological context of the passages you would undoubtedly cite before you use the Bible to ask that of people.

    For a Simple Run down of those contexts, Read “What the Bible Really Says about Homosexuality” by Helminiak.

    Also, the PCUSA should be publishing lots of stuff in the very near future about their recent decision to Allow non-celibate gay clergy.

    • 34 Devan Adams May 13, 2011 at 9:11 pm

      Greg,

      Thank you for being civil. Whereas I do not agree with you I am happy that you did not make this a personal attack.

      -devan

  19. 35 abbiistabbii May 13, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Really? Your comparing Falling in love with someone with alcoholism, partner abuse, porn and swearing at your parents because the bible says it’s a sin?

    It also says in the bible….

    That getting Tattoos are a sin (Leviticus 19:28).

    That Working on “the sabbath” must be punished by death (Exodus 31:12-15).

    That rape victims must marry the men who raped them (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) unless she’s engaged/married in which case she’s stoned to death (Deuteronomy 22:23-24).

    That you must wipe out entire cities if you find out someone was preaching for another god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19).

    Why aren’t you at a tattoo parlour demanding that piercings and tattoos get criminalised? Why aren’t you at McDonalds on a Sunday laying rocks into the employees? Why aren’t you running around your city, burning down the place after finding a Mosque there?

    Oh wait! I can here you now! “That was then and this is now”. Well why can’t you say the same thing about homosexuality? We know it’s just another form of romantic love, we know it doesn’t do any direct harm to society, so why don’t you use your “that was then, this is now excuse on Leveticus 18:22 and 20:13. Because of all the quotes, the “that was then…” argument applies here.

    Back in the days when Leveticus was being written, parents forced their children into marriages for their financial gain (wealth moved about through marriages and heirs). One side would go “I’ll marry off my daughter for that bit of land in your will”, the other would go “And I’ll marry off my son for that big house you have in Megiddo”. When the agreement is made, the two children are married off and the parents get their money…

    Now imagine the inconvenience if your Son was not attracted to girls. What if he doesn’t produce and heir, *GASP* what if he runs off with his manservant! So what can force your son to shit out an heir…Oh I know, tell them that God will send him to hell! And thus was born Leveticus 18:22.

    Oh, wait. The fear of God isn’t doing anything. He still ran off with his manservant. I guess the fear of god is less powerful than the power of romantic love.

    What’s an even stronger way to make him marry this girl and produce an heir…hmmm…I know, make homosexuality punishable by death! And thus Leveticus 20:13 was born, forcing gay men to have straight sex with people they aren’t even attracted to just to survive.

    Nowadays wealth isn’t based on how many babies you produce and who you marry those children off to, is it? The only people who would want more babies for their own gain is religion, because as you know as a pastor, if you get’em young, your keep’em.

    Let LGBT people live, love and laugh. They’re not angering any deities or destroying the world. The only ones doing the destruction are the ones who hate gay people all because of those two little quotes written by greedy parents and holy men for their own financial gain.

  20. 36 Tom May 14, 2011 at 1:06 am

    No, we are not essentially saying that beating your wife somehow makes your life better over time. Being lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender hurts no one. Beating your wife does. That you would draw the comparison is very cruel, to say the least. Savage’s videos are about showing LGBT kids that they can have a happy future and it’s needed (when I was 14, I was positive my only options were to get gay bashed or die of AIDS).

    Sexual orientation and gender identity are part of who we intrinsically are as people. Nobody can force them to change, and legitimate medical, pediatric, and psychological organizations agree–they all warn against so called “conversion therapy” that try to change them. They don’t work, and they further hurt the people who go. Case in point, the two men who started Exodus International fell in love with each other and explained that the whole program never worked.

    I don’t think you’re some evil Snidely Whiplash-like villain trying to hurt LGBT kids, but I do think you really don’t know very much at all about LGBT people. I really believe it would do you some good to meet some as people rather than as a collection of images as sinners, if you haven’t already. Find a LGBT Community Center and talk to people, look up a PFLAG (Parents Family and Friends of Gays & Lesbians – pflag.org) group and talk with other parent about it. I find that people in groups like that are more willing to have discussions and hash out the hard questions, but online with anonymity people lash out (and understandably so–nobody likes to be compared to wife beaters).

    I’m really troubled by how often this debate is framed as “Religion vs. Gays” when that isn’t how things are or have to be. Even if you do always think being gay is a sin, I hope that you take the time to meet and understand more LGBT people, their friends, and families. I assume as host of this blog you can see my e-mail, and if you ever do want to chat through that I’d like to.

  21. 37 Alli May 14, 2011 at 1:42 am

    Wow, I must say, for people who are so against “bullying” and belittling people for what they choose to believe, everyone is being terribly mean and intolerant.

    But I guess that’s what you get when you shine light into someone’s darkness. They fight to keep the shades drawn!

    • 38 salixman May 14, 2011 at 2:37 am

      Yeah, sorry that I’m not very tolerant of Jordan’s blatant discrimination. Next time I’ll just keep my mouth shut when someone compares my sexuality to abuse and alcoholism.

      Naw, but in all seriousness there’s a gigantic difference between what most of the LGBT-friendly people on this list and what Jordan is saying. I think that name-calling is uncalled for, but what Jordan is saying is on a completely different level. When he says that homosexuality is a sin, he’s insulted a whole community of individuals, helped to bolster other people’s bias toward the LGBT community, and is quite possibly helping to depress and confuse LGBT teens who are reading this site.

      • 39 Devan Adams May 14, 2011 at 3:48 am

        Salixman,

        The Bible has been misused by many people across time. There will be many who will interpret it to make it mean what they want. I take care to try not to do this. I understand the purpose for marriage for humans to “be fruitful and multiply.” I believe this is the only reason for Biblical marriage. God would not have instituted this command if He intended for gay and lesbians to be married. In the original creation this was not God’s intention. Sin came into the world skewed what is natural.

        -devan

  22. 40 Vanheath May 14, 2011 at 6:36 am

    My argument against the “It Gets Better Project” is 3 fold:

    1) It separates out LGBT from the rest of teens which deal with bullying and depression. As if those who are LGBT are special or noble for their lifestyle. Those who practice homosexuality are not the only ones who deal with these issues.

    2) The message itself is a lie. Scientific studies show that homosexuals are more prone to cancer which would also explain why heterosexuals statistically have a longer lifespan than homosexuals. Studies have also shown that suicide attempts among homosexuals in countries like Denmark and Finland (which are very gay-tolerant and provide nearly all the same rights as marriage to same-sex registered partnerships) occurs at about the same rate as in the U.S. Studies have also shown the major reason for suicides in homosexuals is due to the break-up of relationships. Mental Health studies also show those living in a homosexual life style are more prone to mental health problems.

    If anything, if you are a teen having homosexual thoughts and temptations, or experimenting with it. According to mental and physical health studies, continuing in this lifestyle has a good chance of not getting better.

    3) The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination to God. That it is exchanging the natural function of the body God has designed, and those practicing it will carry in themselves the penalty that comes with it.

    Being a Bible believing Christian I know that homosexuality is not natural and is a sin. I know that many who have posted responses to the initial post do not believe in God, or at least not the God of the Bible. I know that many believe they have a right to choose to be homosexual and no one should tell them different. Well you do have the right to choose. The Bible says that God did give everyone the right to choose to follow Him or not follow Him, and what you choose will have it’s consequences, whether for the better or worse.

    I don’t hate anyone who is homosexual, but I do feel sorry for them, because I believe that they have been sold into a lie by a society that is increasingly accepting of things which are destructive to the people participating in them and those around them (i.e. sexual promiscuity, adultery, divorce).

    I just wish that those who support homosexuality and believe that it is something you’re born with would consider one thing:

    If we were to go back 100 years before the technology of in vitro fertilization, and all the men of the world decided that they were gay and the women that they were lesbians, the human race would be on the verge of extinction unless some would sacrifice and go against their natural born nature and have heterosexual relations to preserve the species.


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